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Post by Guest2000 on Mar 14, 2013 21:10:46 GMT -5
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think there are plenty of people willing to vote for this and for good reasons.
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Post by Yes but why on Mar 14, 2013 22:55:17 GMT -5
Can you please share your reasons for voting yes.
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Post by Bumpenstein on Mar 14, 2013 23:02:31 GMT -5
I too would like to see why this should get a yes vote. My bldg reps tell me not to vote for it before explaining the key points of the contract to me
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Post by Guest2000 on Mar 14, 2013 23:04:28 GMT -5
Can you please share your reasons for voting yes. I posted in the other threads about my reasons - the voting poll thread I think was the most substantial post. Mostly, I don't think it is realistic that our compensation offers will gt much better if any going forward. I feel frustrated as others do, but I think there is a fiscal reality that may be getting lost in the shuffle. I don't see an arbitrator or the public being sympathetic to our complaints. If we continue to push it that far there is no guarantee that we will end up with what we have now (no layoffs, no cut in salary, and a slight raise). In the past we moved down three steps. Other districts have had significant layoffs and increased class sizes. I know it isn't an easy pill to swallow, but I think we need to think how this can play out if we vote no tomorrow. |
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Post by Guest2000 on Mar 14, 2013 23:08:29 GMT -5
Can you please share your reasons for voting yes. I posted in the other threads about my reasons - the voting poll thread I think was the most substantial post. Mostly, I don't think it is realistic that our compensation offers will gt much better if any going forward. I feel frustrated as others do, but I think there is a fiscal reality that may be getting lost in the shuffle. I don't see an arbitrator or the public being sympathetic to our complaints. If we continue to push it that far there is no guarantee that we will end up with what we have now (no layoffs, no cut in salary, and a slight raise). In the past we moved down three steps. Other districts have had significant layoffs and increased class sizes. I know it isn't an easy pill to swallow, but I think we need to think how this can play out if we vote no tomorrow. From the other thread... Count me as a YES vote. I understand the frustration with the salary situation as it is. I hope that everyone can consider the larger context though. VVSD teachers make more than others in surrounding areas. This is due to abnormally high raises in three consecutive years. We all benefited from that and our salary schedule now rests at a much higher level regardless of any future raises. We are being offered a $1,200 raise this year. With a step next year, our pay will go up about $800 more (if a step is about $2,000 total). So without insurance payments changing we are getting a $1,200 raise then an $800 raise. If you have to pay the $600 more in insurance, you will only be getting a $200 raise next year, which I understand is basically nothing. But that's a raise one year and a freeze the next at current salary levels well above surrounding districts. That also includes insurance benefits that most people don't have at a rate still far below what you would pay for insurance working anywhere else. We need to also consider the reality of what a no vote means this time. The district doesn't have a secret pile of money stashed away. I'm curious what some people expect to be the outcome in terms of salary. A no vote could lead to arbitration or eventually a strike. In either case, our union doesn't have much to argue. Just because we would like more money doesn't mean that an arbitrator or especially the public will agree. In either scenario, the offers we have to choose from can become worse. The district doesn't need to keep adding to their offers. As we lose credibility and bargaining power, we are opening the door to much less than we can get now. I don't like that either, but it is the reality of the situation. All the anger and frustration isn't changing all these external factors. A no vote isn't a no risk vote. To think we have nothing to lose is short sighted and potentially a very dangerous stance for us to take. There are ramifications to consistently rejecting offers that are fair (in the opinion of an arbitrator and/or the public). I just hope each person will consider these factors. Then vote however you feel you should - not what you feel pressured into. |
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Post by pt on Mar 14, 2013 23:18:52 GMT -5
Your ideas make some sense. I will have to sleep on it tonight. Thanks for posting this. There really was no point to this whole thing because it was so one sided and personal. nobody said these good points to the contract. Its hard to take seriously the negativity when its fo rnegativity's sake.
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Post by guest2332 on Mar 15, 2013 7:16:06 GMT -5
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Post by Frustrated Teacher on Mar 15, 2013 7:52:36 GMT -5
And let's not forget that there also seems to be money to pay Mitchem for his online"degree", his family vacations, and his insurance premiums. Our medical and dental coverage pales in comparison to his and the rest of administration. My kid has braces that I am paying 100% out of pocket. Administrators get ortho coverage. There are too many inexperienced and unnecessary, not to mention highly paid, "bosses". If it's time to trim the fat then let's start at the ad center. I think all this would easier for everybody to swallow if admins were taking the same cuts we are. But they get raises.
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Post by molly1776 on Mar 24, 2013 12:22:29 GMT -5
I understand you are tired. However, a 2 tier wage system is the kiss of death. Fight now or fight later.
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